Comments on: Herbivore Men vs Carnivore Women http://tokyokawaiietc.com/archives/3102 -Japanese kawaii fashion, kawaii shops, Japanese culture and more streight from Tokyo by a Japanese blogger!-　　  Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:06:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: kirin http://tokyokawaiietc.com/archives/3102/comment-page-1#comment-5209 kirin Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:14:03 +0000 http://tokyokawaiietc.com/?p=3102#comment-5209 "Among the 20-30-year-olds people are often looking for a "best friend" partner than a "manly" or "ladylike" one". I agree with that and my husband is just like my best friend, too. ^_^ "Among the 20-30-year-olds people are often looking for a "best friend" partner than a "manly" or "ladylike" one".

I agree with that and my husband is just like my best friend, too. ^_^

]]> By: Tinny http://tokyokawaiietc.com/archives/3102/comment-page-1#comment-5201 Tinny Sun, 15 Aug 2010 08:39:21 +0000 http://tokyokawaiietc.com/?p=3102#comment-5201 I agree with Maria about Finnish men. The older they get these days, the more "domestic" they become, taking care of household chores and such, without it seeming "unmanly". I think that the younger men are following in the footsteps of the liberation of women; women have now managed to make it acceptable to do things that used to be only for men, and now men are starting to get acceptance for things that used to be only for women. Personally, I like this development, because I think the downsides of having to fit into only one kind of mold for men are pretty visible in our society. Also, I think that if society allows me to study, work outside home and not have kids if I don't want any (all of which were seen as at least dubious 50-60 years ago), it is only fair to let men become stay-at-home dads or not start a family at all if they don't truly want it. The passiveness in dating might be a problem, though, but I believe that if a man (or a woman) is truly interested in another person, they will approach that person. If it is not that serious, they might or might not approach. Relationships in Finland are quite equal usually, so a girl asking a boy out is no big deal, and among the 20-30-year-olds people are often looking for a "best friend" partner than a "manly" or "ladylike" one. I agree with Maria about Finnish men. The older they get these days, the more "domestic" they become, taking care of household chores and such, without it seeming "unmanly".

I think that the younger men are following in the footsteps of the liberation of women; women have now managed to make it acceptable to do things that used to be only for men, and now men are starting to get acceptance for things that used to be only for women. Personally, I like this development, because I think the downsides of having to fit into only one kind of mold for men are pretty visible in our society. Also, I think that if society allows me to study, work outside home and not have kids if I don't want any (all of which were seen as at least dubious 50-60 years ago), it is only fair to let men become stay-at-home dads or not start a family at all if they don't truly want it.

The passiveness in dating might be a problem, though, but I believe that if a man (or a woman) is truly interested in another person, they will approach that person. If it is not that serious, they might or might not approach. Relationships in Finland are quite equal usually, so a girl asking a boy out is no big deal, and among the 20-30-year-olds people are often looking for a "best friend" partner than a "manly" or "ladylike" one.

]]> By: kirin http://tokyokawaiietc.com/archives/3102/comment-page-1#comment-3137 kirin Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:29:48 +0000 http://tokyokawaiietc.com/?p=3102#comment-3137 Actually herbivore men are different from gay, even though their way of dressing or makeup is similar to gay's. At the same time I understand you feel that way. It's weird guys making fuss over fashion and makeup as much as girls. ^ ^; Actually herbivore men are different from gay, even though their way of dressing or makeup is similar to gay's. At the same time I understand you feel that way. It's weird guys making fuss over fashion and makeup as much as girls. ^ ^;

]]> By: eceluv http://tokyokawaiietc.com/archives/3102/comment-page-1#comment-3119 eceluv Thu, 25 Mar 2010 06:26:29 +0000 http://tokyokawaiietc.com/?p=3102#comment-3119 Hi I'm new here and this topic is quite interesting, having watched Otomen. I think Otomen are nice, being domesticated and all, as long as they still like women. But if they fuss a lot (or worst, more than) a girl about their hairstyle, eyebrows (that I dont understand) or clothes, that might be more than a regular metrosexual. LIke the current crop of jpop stars. They look kinda gay to me. Is that the description of a hervibore? But being domesticated like the otomen character is okay. My late dad cooked great stew, darned our clothers and even helped in the house. It's just being a good husband and dad. Single males here are not so fussy and are generally close to their families (since most live with their parents till they marry). Weak in spirit in chasing women is referred to as "torpe" but when they think the other party is interested, they usually make a go for it. Young guys may have these styled hair but usually they are copying a favorite anime/manga character . But most guys with salon styled hair, tight jeans, plucked eyebrows,perfumed and kohl lined eyes are definitely gay. Same with those who frequent the gym a lot. Hi I'm new here and this topic is quite interesting, having watched Otomen. I think Otomen are nice, being domesticated and all, as long as they still like women. But if they fuss a lot (or worst, more than) a girl about their hairstyle, eyebrows (that I dont understand) or clothes, that might be more than a regular metrosexual. LIke the current crop of jpop stars. They look kinda gay to me. Is that the description of a hervibore? But being domesticated like the otomen character is okay. My late dad cooked great stew, darned our clothers and even helped in the house. It's just being a good husband and dad. Single males here are not so fussy and are generally close to their families (since most live with their parents till they marry). Weak in spirit in chasing women is referred to as "torpe" but when they think the other party is interested, they usually make a go for it. Young guys may have these styled hair but usually they are copying a favorite anime/manga character . But most guys with salon styled hair, tight jeans, plucked eyebrows,perfumed and kohl lined eyes are definitely gay. Same with those who frequent the gym a lot.

]]> By: kirin http://tokyokawaiietc.com/archives/3102/comment-page-1#comment-2794 kirin Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:45:18 +0000 http://tokyokawaiietc.com/?p=3102#comment-2794 Thank you for sharing an interesting story in Finland! XD I quite agree with you when you say "Women become more aggressive and independent, so men can be more passive." and also balance is important. ;) Thank you for sharing an interesting story in Finland! XD
I quite agree with you when you say "Women become more aggressive and independent, so men can be more passive."
and also balance is important. ;)

]]> By: Maria http://tokyokawaiietc.com/archives/3102/comment-page-1#comment-2772 Maria Sat, 06 Feb 2010 03:26:44 +0000 http://tokyokawaiietc.com/?p=3102#comment-2772 I think the change is happening in Finland too but at a much slower pace. I also don't think it will ever become a problem here. I do notice a different vibe between men of my age and boys. (I'm in my mid-twenties if someone is wondering, I always seem to sound older though). Boys spend more time fixing their hair and tweezing their eyebrows. I think that men who are around my age, aren't really herbivorous (not in Finland, that is) they are in the between of those 2 lists. They want to have a house, a nice car and a nice girlfriend but they also want to eat sweets, at least try to follow trends and spend time with their family. They don't seem very passive or fond of cosmetics (for me a man wearing make-up sounds a bit..too feminine). My dad is like Masamune Asuka from Otomen so for me it's only natural that men like cute things, sweets and cleaning/cooking. I think that is good as long a man also has the masculine side to him. Balance is very important. My dad is now in his sixties and can't be called feminine, he appears to be similar to other men of his age. I also do know that I'm more masculine than my grandmom or my mom. I love to practise aikido, I want to have a career, a house and a nice car :D That being said I also love cooking, knitting and all kinds of cute things. What I wanted to say was: yes, the men in Finland are more herbivorous than past generations but not to a problematic extent and women seem to be more carnivorous than past generations. I think it's just the equation correcting itself. Women become more aggressive and independent, so men can be more passive. As to why this phenomenon won't be a problem in Finland, the answer is because Finnish society is different from Japanese. Here women can pick up men, just like men used to do. I also have liked a guy who was way too herbivorous for me. I was always the one holding his hand, or asking if I could kiss him (and his answer would be: "Fine but make sure it's quick, my eyes feel uncomfortable when I'm kissed"). So I gave up on him and he was the one crying and feeling sad (I can't even remember why I liked him when I was 15). I think the change is happening in Finland too but at a much slower pace. I also don't think it will ever become a problem here.
I do notice a different vibe between men of my age and boys. (I'm in my mid-twenties if someone is wondering, I always seem to sound older though). Boys spend more time fixing their hair and tweezing their eyebrows. I think that men who are around my age, aren't really herbivorous (not in Finland, that is) they are in the between of those 2 lists. They want to have a house, a nice car and a nice girlfriend but they also want to eat sweets, at least try to follow trends and spend time with their family. They don't seem very passive or fond of cosmetics (for me a man wearing make-up sounds a bit..too feminine).

My dad is like Masamune Asuka from Otomen so for me it's only natural that men like cute things, sweets and cleaning/cooking. I think that is good as long a man also has the masculine side to him. Balance is very important. My dad is now in his sixties and can't be called feminine, he appears to be similar to other men of his age.
I also do know that I'm more masculine than my grandmom or my mom. I love to practise aikido, I want to have a career, a house and a nice car :D That being said I also love cooking, knitting and all kinds of cute things.

What I wanted to say was: yes, the men in Finland are more herbivorous than past generations but not to a problematic extent and women seem to be more carnivorous than past generations. I think it's just the equation correcting itself. Women become more aggressive and independent, so men can be more passive. As to why this phenomenon won't be a problem in Finland, the answer is because Finnish society is different from Japanese. Here women can pick up men, just like men used to do.

I also have liked a guy who was way too herbivorous for me. I was always the one holding his hand, or asking if I could kiss him (and his answer would be: "Fine but make sure it's quick, my eyes feel uncomfortable when I'm kissed"). So I gave up on him and he was the one crying and feeling sad (I can't even remember why I liked him when I was 15).

]]> By: kirin http://tokyokawaiietc.com/archives/3102/comment-page-1#comment-2183 kirin Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:46:16 +0000 http://tokyokawaiietc.com/?p=3102#comment-2183 Metrosexual but not passive, that's good! :D I like that. Metrosexual but not passive, that's good! :D I like that.

]]> By: kirin http://tokyokawaiietc.com/archives/3102/comment-page-1#comment-2182 kirin Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:42:27 +0000 http://tokyokawaiietc.com/?p=3102#comment-2182 Usually it's said those who like drinking alcohol don't like sweets and vice versa. Like my father, he likes drinking a lot, but he hates sweets! Right, we have to finally act for the real thing. But it's true in Japan many young men and women do not match even though each look for his or her partner. Well, I will write about this more sooner. ;) Usually it's said those who like drinking alcohol don't like sweets and vice versa. Like my father, he likes drinking a lot, but he hates sweets!

Right, we have to finally act for the real thing. But it's true in Japan many young men and women do not match even though each look for his or her partner. Well, I will write about this more sooner. ;)

]]> By: Lisa http://tokyokawaiietc.com/archives/3102/comment-page-1#comment-2174 Lisa Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:15:13 +0000 http://tokyokawaiietc.com/?p=3102#comment-2174 Ahh yes, the herbivores! An interesting topic indeed. ^^ Metrosexuals are pretty common in Western Europe, but like Cinnamon Girl said, they're not passive - they just like to look good. :) (Personally I think it's a good development as long as it's not too extreme; it's nice to know that a guy cares about himself enough to look good, be healthy etc.) I couldn't be involved with a herbivore man though, just because of the passivity! Although I don't mean that I want to be chased etc, it's nice when two people can suggest to do things/go out/do spontaneous things... I've been in a relationship where I was the only one who suggested fun things to do and in the end it just felt like I was nagging all the time, and it wasn't fun at all! So I definitely don't want to be there again! Ahh yes, the herbivores! An interesting topic indeed. ^^
Metrosexuals are pretty common in Western Europe, but like Cinnamon Girl said, they're not passive – they just like to look good. :) (Personally I think it's a good development as long as it's not too extreme; it's nice to know that a guy cares about himself enough to look good, be healthy etc.)
I couldn't be involved with a herbivore man though, just because of the passivity! Although I don't mean that I want to be chased etc, it's nice when two people can suggest to do things/go out/do spontaneous things… I've been in a relationship where I was the only one who suggested fun things to do and in the end it just felt like I was nagging all the time, and it wasn't fun at all! So I definitely don't want to be there again!

]]> By: kirin http://tokyokawaiietc.com/archives/3102/comment-page-1#comment-2165 kirin Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:37:37 +0000 http://tokyokawaiietc.com/?p=3102#comment-2165 You have such a well-balanced husband! :D Oh, are you coming to Japan soon? (We may have exchanged messages on shoutbox or here but sorry I have many other messages to be exchanged daily, and I cannot remember everything very correctly.) If you are interested in meeting up with me in person, please send me an email from CONTACT page and let's discuss details there personally. :) Thanks! You have such a well-balanced husband! :D

Oh, are you coming to Japan soon? (We may have exchanged messages on shoutbox or here but sorry I have many other messages to be exchanged daily, and I cannot remember everything very correctly.) If you are interested in meeting up with me in person, please send me an email from CONTACT page and let's discuss details there personally. :) Thanks!

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